in 2 minds eaton or r1 jabbasport g ladder

[sohailG40]

hi guyz i just need some info and help
i have a eaton m45 charger laying around the place but am running a full blend g ladder i was gonna buy a eaton kit but when phoneing jabba the guy said to me that the eaton is a crap conversion he said stick with the g ladder make it in to a r1

i was thinking i want to hit the 200bhp mark with the G40 will the r1 make it the jabba blkoe said it would

what do you guyz go for and whats your say in this

thank you

[Max]

The R1 charger may help you along to the magic 200bhp but you will need a shed load more work done to get near that figure!

Have you though about a G60 charger?

[samg40]

I'd have said if your lader is already ported to a full blend by PSD Jabba wont take any more out of it. I've also never heard of a 40 lader making 200 brake. Also just as a matter of interest why do you want to make 200 brake?

[Robin]

You'll struggle to hit 200bhp with the G40 laderm in fact i very very much doubt you'll see anywhere near that. Alan had his running 185bhp ish and that was pretty much maxed out.

I was trying to get 180bhp with my lader and to be honest with pretty much every thing done to the engine bar a BVH i was realistically going to see 175bhp-180bhp with a custom map. At the time i was running 166bhp.

Even with the turbo set up i got now i will still struggle to hit the 200bhp with a custom map without a BVH.

Don't go the eaton way, they sound crap! If you do wanna go eaton then go for turbo instead!

[sohailG40]

I'd have said if your lader is already ported to a full blend by PSD Jabba wont take any more out of it. I've also never heard of a 40 lader making 200 brake. Also just as a matter of interest why do you want to make 200 brake?

i wanna get 200bhp out of my g40 it will be a slow project but 200 is just about right for a front wheel drive car

[sohailG40]

You'll struggle to hit 200bhp with the G40 laderm in fact i very very much doubt you'll see anywhere near that. Alan had his running 185bhp ish and that was pretty much maxed out.

I was trying to get 180bhp with my lader and to be honest with pretty much every thing done to the engine bar a BVH i was realistically going to see 175bhp-180bhp with a custom map. At the time i was running 166bhp.

Even with the turbo set up i got now i will still struggle to hit the 200bhp with a custom map without a BVH.

Don't go the eaton way, they sound crap! If you do wanna go eaton then go for turbo instead!

i think the eatons sound nice but all i have heard is bad news about them and aw tracksports kit being very badly designed

[Nick_S]

You will struggle to break 180 bhp with a 40 lader and standard cylinder capacity. I remember Gordan Ray a while back now ploughing good money into his car, only to get 179bhp. Saying that though, Rich Hughes had Jabba's old green G40 and i'm fairly sure that got to near 190bhp and i don't think it had Aquamist, just a chargecooler instead.

You will have to use laughing gas to get to 200 bhp

[sohailG40]

yeh want 200bhp or close to it
i dont like the sound of a eaton and i dont want to run a turbo on my g40
i like the sound of a g60 can you guyz tell me how much i am looking at fitting one of these and were to get the bracket
and once fitted what could i achive with it

thank you

sohail g40

[sohailG40]

lol no laughing gas thats cheating

[PeteG40]

strange how they say eaton is shit and they don't do one.

strange they say an r1 will make 200bhp and their maxed out demo car made less than that with headwork/big valves, custom map etc etc.

200bhp just is not achieveable on a g40 lader IMO

[hayesey]

a guy called Barney got over 190bhp with a g40 lader a few years back.  1341cc and all the trimmings, also not sure what size pulley he had on it.

Personally I'd say go turbo if you want a reliable 200bhp engine that isn't breaking on a regular basis and doesn't cost the earth.  G60 is another way but they are even less reliable on a fast revving g40 engine than on a tall block golf engine. 

[PeteG40]

barney got 190+ at stealth where lots of gts made 100+ IIRC

[hayesey]

yeah that's a fair point actually, stealths rollers are usually good for a 10-15% power increase alone 

[DMWG40]

You will struggle to break 180 bhp with a 40 lader and standard cylinder capacity. I remember Gordan Ray a while back now ploughing good money into his car, only to get 179bhp. Saying that though, Rich Hughes had Jabba's old green G40 and i'm fairly sure that got to near 190bhp and i don't think it had Aquamist, just a chargecooler instead.

You will have to use laughing gas to get to 200 bhp

yeah it did 194 i think when jabba owned it, adrian ford had it for a few years after that, not sure if it ever got those figures with adrian, he tried to tweak it to get more.
what happend to Barney?
also why are there rollers so bad then with high figures ? dont they get them checked out

[Varley]

I would venture that 200bhp on Aldons rollers with a 40 'lader is not realistic.

My Full blend, 1473cc, BVH etc motor (with custom PSD map) only made 167bhp, albeit freshly built. I'd expect to go above 170 now it's loosened up a bit but finding an extra 30 is highly unlikely.

Only thing I can think is an even smaller pulley (I know Steve had a tiny one on his tin can at one point pre turbo) but even then 200 seems a bit far fetched and you'd be rebuilding the damn thing every few weeks!

My expectations of 200bhp at the last RR day were off the back of the "190bhp" Jabba demo but the number being lower than you were led to believe in no ways slows down your progress I can assure you!

170 real G40 powered bhp with a nice flat torque curve in a G40 shell is shitloads - well, plenty anyway IMO.

If you really want the magic number, as others have suggested the only really practical way of doing so is to go turbo, and from the testimonies of those who have gone down that route it is a very well rounded and decent setup to boot.