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Technical => Superchargers / G-Lader => Topic started by: đuro on January 22, 2010, 05:27:08 PM

Title: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on January 22, 2010, 05:27:08 PM
Hi guys,

pls can somebody tell me what I hv to change to put eatoncharger i/o G40 ?
where to connect return pipe ? or not to connect at all?

nd also if somebody can make technical draving of charge porter cos as I can see price in UK is to high nd I can make it my self on CNC machine

tks in advance
Damjan
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 22, 2010, 08:18:24 PM
Howdo.

To install a eaton (M45) into a G40 you will need........

Modified charger bracket
toothed belt kit (stops belt slippage at high rpm)
charger air inlet (I've got a piece of silicone pipe shaped to fit)
bigger fuel injectors
bigger intercooler
pipework to connect intercooler to throttlebody
new ECU chip

if you take a loom at my thread in the gallery, there's afew more pics there.

Hope that helps.

Jon
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on January 22, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
Hi Jon,

tks for letting me know what nd how to do. I saw the charger but I didn't saw this charger bracket well. can you (or somebody else) give me dimensions of that bracket ?

I hv
toothed belt kit
charger air inlet
bigger injectors
bigger FMIC
pipework - not problem
nd stanalone management

so only think what I don't hv is that modified bracket cos I don't know how to measure it (don't hv oportunity)

Second thing - why you take off this return pipe line? does this mean when you are not driving full throttle some of boost is just going out in the air ??
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 22, 2010, 11:31:37 PM
I should have a picture of the bracket on my pc I can post up for you.

As for the boost return pipe (if that's what you mean?), the eaton doesn't have a return like the G-lader so as you thought, any extra boost is released from the throttlebody to atmosphere. Quite alot of air actually!

What management are you going to use?
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on January 23, 2010, 12:19:10 PM
If you hv a pic it would be perfect to see it

I hv Vi-pec V44. tought to put Uni-chip or something similar but than friend of mine told he'll give me brand new management for low cost so I take that thing nd place it inside the car so I can make configuration with laptop fm inside.

but would it be better if somehow boost return pipe could connect back to charger? let say on inlet of charger or just put "Y" pipe before IC? so there won't be spool time nd I think acceleration would be even better ? only my opinion...correct me if I'm wrong

I aslo noticed you changed cam.... why ? Stock G40 cam isn't so good ? what are the specification of this "Eaton Cam" ? (Shrick hv 252/276 for G but don't know which I hv to put if place Eaton inside)
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on January 27, 2010, 01:18:34 PM
regarding my guestion about boost return pipe... I found some pics how this can be done.

Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 27, 2010, 08:04:31 PM
The camshaft i have is an Eaton 1341cc item, specially designed apparently for this set-up.

Pics of the brackets to follow. just having afew computer problems :(
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 27, 2010, 08:25:41 PM
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/jonjong40/mount2.jpg)

(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae140/jonjong40/mount1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 27, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
I see what you mean with the pictures you posted. Just not sure how well it would work.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on January 28, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
Jon,

is this cam ok for standard 1272 block or not.? if not what cam should I take ?

what specification hs your cam? (how many degrees? etc.)

this bracket is modified G40 bracket or it's specialy designed for Eaton? if specialy designed where can i buy this thing or fm which car can I take it off?

Tks in advance
Damjan
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 29, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: Ä'uro on January 28, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
Jon,

is this cam ok for standard 1272 block or not.? if not what cam should I take ?

what specification hs your cam? (how many degrees? etc.)

this bracket is modified G40 bracket or it's specialy designed for Eaton? if specialy designed where can i buy this thing or fm which car can I take it off?

Tks in advance
Damjan

i have a standard head on mine at the moment. im not sure what spc my cam is. it originally came from PSD who have ceased trading :( there is a camshaft for the eaton 1272cc made by PSD but theyre not that easy to find. The bracket is just a modified PY bracket. you'd need to put your charger upto the bracket to see where the mountings need to be changed.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: giorgio on January 29, 2010, 05:45:35 PM
there was/is a 1341 cam on ebay
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: BrettG40 on January 29, 2010, 07:11:26 PM
Just out of interest jon, how have you tensioned the belt, as there would be no adjustment in the charger bracket?
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: giorgio on January 29, 2010, 09:28:30 PM
eaton brackets have a tensioner on them
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on January 31, 2010, 08:22:48 PM
^^^ along with 2 tensioners on the charger itself.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on February 02, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
Quote from: vwmk3jon on January 29, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: Ä'uro on January 28, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
Jon,

is this cam ok for standard 1272 block or not.? if not what cam should I take ?

what specification hs your cam? (how many degrees? etc.)

this bracket is modified G40 bracket or it's specialy designed for Eaton? if specialy designed where can i buy this thing or fm which car can I take it off?

Tks in advance
Damjan

i have a standard head on mine at the moment. im not sure what spc my cam is. it originally came from PSD who have ceased trading :( there is a camshaft for the eaton 1272cc made by PSD but theyre not that easy to find. The bracket is just a modified PY bracket. you'd need to put your charger upto the bracket to see where the mountings need to be changed.


and can I use standard G40 cam for eaton charger or not?
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 03, 2010, 04:13:59 PM
Im not 100% sure if itll run smoothly although ive heard of some people trying one.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: BrettG40 on February 03, 2010, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: giorgio on January 29, 2010, 09:28:30 PM
eaton brackets have a tensioner on them

Ah i see, so if i were to fabricate a bracket myself i'd have to add some sort of tensioner to it?
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on February 03, 2010, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: vwmk3jon on February 03, 2010, 04:13:59 PM
Im not 100% sure if itll run smoothly although ive heard of some people trying one.
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ok but what cam can I put on standard 1272 block? Specification ? just fm GT or Shrick 252/276 or cat cam 269/269 or some third cam?

Tks for advise
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: giorgio on February 03, 2010, 08:05:01 PM
Quote from: BrettG40 on February 03, 2010, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: giorgio on January 29, 2010, 09:28:30 PM
eaton brackets have a tensioner on them

Ah i see, so if i were to fabricate a bracket myself i'd have to add some sort of tensioner to it?

tensioner, idler pulley, full set of pulleys and a fucking 45x62x15 bearing which is impossible  ::)
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: BrettG40 on February 03, 2010, 08:56:28 PM
Lol, words of experience i take it..... ;D
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 03, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
Stupid question georgio but which bearings that? I can check with my local supplier if you want? Managed to get a seal from them rather cheap (£3 odd)
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: giorgio on February 03, 2010, 10:43:23 PM
the pulley/bracket one.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 10, 2010, 04:10:34 PM
My pulley bearing don't look in bad shape. I'll keep hold of those bearing dimensions and see what I can find.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: poloeatonm45 on February 10, 2010, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: Ä'uro on February 02, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
Quote from: vwmk3jon on January 29, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: Ä'uro on January 28, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
Jon,

is this cam ok for standard 1272 block or not.? if not what cam should I take ?

what specification hs your cam? (how many degrees? etc.)

this bracket is modified G40 bracket or it's specialy designed for Eaton? if specialy designed where can i buy this thing or fm which car can I take it off?

Tks in advance
Damjan

i have a standard head on mine at the moment. im not sure what spc my cam is. it originally came from PSD who have ceased trading :( there is a camshaft for the eaton 1272cc made by PSD but theyre not that easy to find. The bracket is just a modified PY bracket. you'd need to put your charger upto the bracket to see where the mountings need to be changed.


and can I use standard G40 cam for eaton charger or not?

you can use the standard g40 cam thats what i use in mine although its not ideal steve from pitstop told me the cylinder pressures are crazy high using the standard cam. i have an eaton cam for mine but for the life of me i cannot get it to run right on the car

steven
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 11, 2010, 01:00:48 AM
Quote from: Rae on February 10, 2010, 04:50:38 PM
just out of curiosity - isnt the eaton bracket the one that people used to put mk2 golf 8v gti cambelt tensioners on?

never seen one but I can get a pic of the set-up easily enough.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: đuro on February 11, 2010, 08:20:21 AM
Quote from: poloeatonm45 on February 10, 2010, 09:47:20 PM
Quote from: Ä'uro on February 02, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
Quote from: vwmk3jon on January 29, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
Quote from: Ä'uro on January 28, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
Jon,

is this cam ok for standard 1272 block or not.? if not what cam should I take ?

what specification hs your cam? (how many degrees? etc.)

this bracket is modified G40 bracket or it's specialy designed for Eaton? if specialy designed where can i buy this thing or fm which car can I take it off?

Tks in advance
Damjan

i have a standard head on mine at the moment. im not sure what spc my cam is. it originally came from PSD who have ceased trading :( there is a camshaft for the eaton 1272cc made by PSD but theyre not that easy to find. The bracket is just a modified PY bracket. you'd need to put your charger upto the bracket to see where the mountings need to be changed.


and can I use standard G40 cam for eaton charger or not?

you can use the standard g40 cam thats what i use in mine although its not ideal steve from pitstop told me the cylinder pressures are crazy high using the standard cam. i have an eaton cam for mine but for the life of me i cannot get it to run right on the car

steven

Tks Steven,

but how can cylinder pressuer be so big? I don't understand? Presure can be high as much as Eaton blow in it. + cylinder pressure but if my logic is correct the same thing is will all chargers or turbo. if pressure is so big dump valve can be put in circle or you can remove boost return pipe nd in that case pressure will go out in the air

Tks for explanation
Damjan
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 11, 2010, 08:47:55 PM
Steven, are you running a big Valve head? Mine seems to have more boost than it can handle and the revs kinda bog down killing any kind of acceleration! I've gotta check if all my pipes are insitu and not leaking tho.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: poloeatonm45 on February 18, 2010, 05:34:59 PM
i was running a ported head but no a big valve one but it was only really lightly ported  had no probs with the running of the car except it was getting a lil hot for my liking but i think that  is just because i was using a standard polo rad and only a 13 row oil cooler.

hope this helps
steve
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 19, 2010, 01:46:14 PM
Sweet, cheers.

I'm thinking my ECU's fried :(
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 20, 2010, 12:03:58 AM
I know it needs remapping which i plan on getting done shortly although id expect it to run abit better than it does now (slower than a 999cc mk4!) and the inside of the ECU is rather shocking!
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: PeteG40 on February 20, 2010, 08:47:56 AM
i've run a g40 with no belt on it - and its about the same as a normal 1.3 polo.   So if yours is slower than a 1l mk4, then it sounds like its producing no boost from a boost leak or something.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: poloeatonm45 on February 21, 2010, 05:55:40 PM
it should be way way way faster that a 1l i love mine its like a rocket ship lol i just cant afford to run the thing

steven
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 21, 2010, 08:29:30 PM
with the missus driving the mk4 when we brought the G home, she could easily leave me behind and no matter what i did (change gear etc), i couldnt catch up! I'm assuming theres more than one bodge to fix as theres probably a leak causing the engine to stall at low revs.
Title: Re: Eaton - request
Post by: vwmk3jon on February 21, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
forgot to add, when the belt jumped off far side of peterborough, the engine ran better ??!!