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Club G40 => General Chat => Topic started by: Richg40 on August 09, 2010, 09:47:49 pm

Title: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 09, 2010, 09:47:49 pm
Lets say you knew someone selling a 1.5 bottom end, G40 block, brand new 1W crank, brand new custom accralite pisons with new main and big end bearings.....

how much would be reasonable to pay?
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: dub-disaster on August 09, 2010, 10:35:40 pm
Between £1k-1.5k maybe that's just my geustimate though!!
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 09, 2010, 10:52:55 pm
For just the bottom end? Seems a bit much?
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Henry on August 09, 2010, 11:46:20 pm
I was under the impression that brand new cranks are £250-300, pistons are £500-550 brand new, g40 block is worth something like £50 and however much the bearings are worth minus a percentage for second hand value and that gives you a rough price.

Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: dub-disaster on August 10, 2010, 06:03:53 am
Yea think henrys estimate mite be a bit more accurate than mine !!
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 10, 2010, 07:45:32 am
£750 about reasonable then I guess.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: hayesey on August 10, 2010, 09:23:29 am
£750 would be a bloody bargain, don't forget at least £100 block machining, £100 set of bearings...
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Yoof on August 10, 2010, 11:08:07 am
Also depends which block has been used, and who's done the work.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: PeteG40 on August 10, 2010, 11:28:28 am
depends on whether cranks been balanced too - and if relief work/boring been done and by who
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 10, 2010, 09:28:49 pm
It's a G40 block, built by a BMW senior tech and the boring was done by the machine shop they use to a very high standard.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: hayesey on August 10, 2010, 09:33:15 pm
offer £750 and see what happens.  Is it a guy called Gregg who is selling it?
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 10, 2010, 10:16:38 pm
Nah man don't know any Gregg.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: hayesey on August 10, 2010, 10:20:27 pm
oh OK.  It's just I know of a lad who used to be into g40s who (I think) is a senior bmw tech, just wondered if it was the same guy.  No idea if he ever built a 1.5 bottom end though.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: lance on August 11, 2010, 10:11:34 pm
new oil pump with it as that'd be another 100plus for that. it would cost you over a grand to do
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 11, 2010, 10:35:23 pm
No oil pump, but it shouldn't be a problem to get one at trade genuine i guess.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Insight G40 on August 12, 2010, 08:11:32 am
Gregg sold his about 2 years ago Hayesey.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: poloeatonm45 on August 13, 2010, 07:47:26 pm
hi if i remember correctly its you who won the pistons and crank the i was bidding for on ebay a while back for this convertion was it not? how come your thinking o selling up mate {just out of intrest}? i would love to buy this convertion from you but im not in a position to at the moment.

steven 
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 13, 2010, 08:22:39 pm
Ah! Rumbled! I was me that won the parts. The block build will be completely finished tomorrow but i've lost interest in the G completely now and want the space back on my drive and another MTB. Everything I own G related will likely be for sale on here very soon including a very tidy grey shell, gucci engine parts etc etc. I've gotta be honest though the bottom end is pure porno.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: PeteG40 on August 13, 2010, 09:01:20 pm
did you have the crank dynamically balanced? just that the 1w cranks will be factory balanced with different pullies/ancills on than on a g40
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 13, 2010, 10:18:46 pm
So factory cranks will be balanced with a pulley they wont be sold with that would ideally be as close to round and balanced as everyother pulley available for everyother engine off the parts shelf? No it's not balanced to anything, a pulley, a fly wheel, a clutch etc etc. Crank has not been balance to my alternator, cam or distribution pump. sorry.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: PeteG40 on August 13, 2010, 10:35:56 pm
na diesel cranks (1w) are balanced with the parts they are sold with .  BUt they have different parts  to a py crank - i.e. parts that bolt on the crank. They have a different toothed crank pulley andthe v belt pulley is a bigger affair with a damper attached
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 13, 2010, 10:44:02 pm
Yes they do have different parts. Front rubber mounted vibration dampers are a common failure and also a weighty rotational mass but I dont remember replacing a crank only in conjunction with, neither notice a diffence in smooth running afterwards? This is off topic. Also know of a quality enhance on a BM which means replacing a front pulley on one engine using one from a completely different engine of a later production type to fix the failing front damper issue and yet no subsequent idle issues?
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: PeteG40 on August 13, 2010, 10:50:36 pm
fair enough mate - your call really - or whoever buys your bottom end.

the only 1w i know running has had it balanced and i'll be doing the same on the one i'm building.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Richg40 on August 13, 2010, 11:07:50 pm
Awesome. So you're blueprinting the entire engine? Having the rods and pistons perfectly weight matched? All ports perfectly gas flowed? Precision machined cam? Cylinder compressions perfectly matched? There has to be a point where the realisation that this is an engine for POLO (!) comes through and blocks out the thought of spending 2 grand on the bottom end. If i'm honest i came so close to spunking 500 rips on a set a H section rods is was unreal, then i blinked real fast for a few seconds and punched myself in the balls. I remember it well, a punch in the balls that had never felt so enlightening before.
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: Nick_S on August 14, 2010, 02:23:30 pm
My bottom end is dynamically balanced stage by stage. Now pistons all weigh the same, rods all weigh the same and then all the other bolted on parts to the crank, balanced one at a time. If I replace my clutch plate due to wear, I only need to balance that and not the whole system again ;D

Its great, engine can tick over happily at 650-700 rpm
Title: Re: How much for a 1.5 conversion??
Post by: PeteG40 on August 14, 2010, 04:52:01 pm
depends how precision engineered you want it doesn't it. Whether you want it blueprinting, or you are happy with the ends ground off rod bolts.

Rods are good for 300bhp apparently.