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Club G40 => General Car Chat => Topic started by: dub-disaster on January 04, 2010, 08:55:48 pm
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Immcurrently looking to buy a wideband to fit to my turbo setup have been looking at two mainly just wondered if any one had on or has had a few and would suggest any particluar features wich where good the two I am looking at are
the innovate lc-1
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php)
and one of these aem ones
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=344 (http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=344)
are both repuatable reliable
makes?? what type of dial is best I think the digital numbers only ones would be hard to get a rough idea of your a/f at a glance when driving that's why I prefer the aem one with LEDs around aswell as numbers, or I could go for a analouge one but do they move quick enough to keep up with the a/f. Just wonderd what everyone thought of the these guages and any others they had.
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Yea that kit does look realy good it works out to be £204 was a little
more than what I was looking to spend but if it is real realy good kit I dnt mind splashing the cash a lil more, what made you not get one in the end ??
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go for the aem one mate, i have a innovate and mine is fine but alot of people have problems with them, the sensor always reads error.
havent really heard anything bad about the aem one plus you'll never use everything the lc1 has.
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just going off 3 mates with innovate ones that are always saying error. they get new ones but they go again. if i was to buy one now id go with a aem.
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i think its the innovate gauge that mess's up too. yea they mostly run a bosch sensor.
yea ya cant skip calibrating them lol
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There was a dodgy batch of LC-1s, read the Innovate forums to check out the details. Fortunately mine's not one of them.
You do have to be careful how you wire them up, I'd originally got mine wired up the same as the stock lambda (in parallel with the fuel pumps) - which meant it came on when the pumps primed, then went off again until you cranked the car. Unfortunately that power cycling seemed to make the unit keep trying to re-calibrate itself, which got fucking annoying. The probe (heater element) died after very little use too - though that might be because the car's stood around for a long time.
The LM-2 kit that I also have does what it says on the tin, it's budget stuff compared to the stuff I use at work - and there's better hobbyist stuff out there too, but it costs a lot more - so Innovate's not bad for bang per buck.
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so lance says get aem , have you or any one you know any experince of aem ones ive never even heard of aem !! what do you and andy think of the dial if its number does it just change very quickly n you cant get a reading at a quick glance?? wich dials have you got ? andy would you reccomend the lc1 over anthing else in the sub £200 market?
i think your right lance i wouldnt use all the features i just want a dial that tells me my a/f mainly some of the other features of the higher spec innovate one are cool like highest reading and being able to plug your laptop into it but not sure if i would use them all as im not going to map it or anything just going to look at the dials n check im not running to lean or to rich !! im thinking aem maybe now.
whered you two get your widebands from just outta intrest dirctly of innovate??
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My brother is giving me his old Inovate system (minus gauge) from his old mk2 16v GTE. Will be using this primarly for any of the hardware/software uses.
I've also just purchased a new Autometer Wideband setup, which comes with a new Bosch LSU 4.2 wideband lambda. Gauge with this looks very similar to Robin's Stack one. Has digi bar sweep and numerical figure display with mode buttons. Heater element in the lamaba is triggered by excess of 13.5 volts by the gauge.
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My brother is giving me his old Inovate system (minus gauge) from his old mk2 16v GTE. Will be using this primarly for any of the hardware/software uses.
I've also just purchased a new Autometer Wideband setup, which comes with a new Bosch LSU 4.2 wideband lambda. Gauge with this looks very similar to Robin's Stack one. Has digi bar sweep and numerical figure display with mode buttons. Heater element in the lamaba is triggered by excess of 13.5 volts by the gauge.
whatever you do don't set the heater element to start when it sees 13.5volts as you'll only see 13.5volts when you start the car, ignition alone won't give 14.5volts, if you start the car without heating up the probe you'll knacker it, i have recently replaced mine due to that reason, now my heater comes on manually when i press one of the buttons on the gauge itself.
i have no issues whatsoever with my stack one, looks pimp next to my stack boost and oil gauges.
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You got ne pics robin of your pimp stack dials all tgether how much did they set you back as I'm after a boost oil temp/pressure mixed guage and a wide band looking to spend about £300 for the lot also where'd you get them from any bargin deals ??
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My brother is giving me his old Inovate system (minus gauge) from his old mk2 16v GTE. Will be using this primarly for any of the hardware/software uses.
I've also just purchased a new Autometer Wideband setup, which comes with a new Bosch LSU 4.2 wideband lambda. Gauge with this looks very similar to Robin's Stack one. Has digi bar sweep and numerical figure display with mode buttons. Heater element in the lamaba is triggered by excess of 13.5 volts by the gauge.
whatever you do don't set the heater element to start when it sees 13.5volts as you'll only see 13.5volts when you start the car, ignition alone won't give 14.5volts, if you start the car without heating up the probe you'll knacker it, i have recently replaced mine due to that reason, now my heater comes on manually when i press one of the buttons on the gauge itself.
i have no issues whatsoever with my stack one, looks pimp next to my stack boost and oil gauges.
I'm aware that condesation on the lambda fooks it if not pre heated (also needs to be positioned in the top half of exhaust pipe so not to catch residual dampness) The Lambda is only activated to start reading if higher than 13.5 volts (ie when alternator is working), i get a 20 second countdown for preheat before lamda starts reading. Gauge can be set to overide, so preheat is on all the time if you get a fooked alternator.
Here's mine, looks reet along side my VDOs :)
(http://www.truckcustomizers.com/images/prods/AUM/K8AUM404.58.jpg)
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Looks nice on lambda sensor positioning Ive got one lambda boss in the down pip about 12" from the turbo should I use this for the standard ecu lambda or my wideband and where's it best to place the other one ist next to it ??
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make sure you put your lambda in on a 45 degree angle so water doesnt sit in it.
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I intend to put them next to each other in th down pipe wich u wouldn't think wold have any water problems as it's on the sland itself do you mean 45 degree to the pipe or 45 degree in the pipe ??
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My brother is giving me his old Inovate system (minus gauge) from his old mk2 16v GTE. Will be using this primarly for any of the hardware/software uses.
I've also just purchased a new Autometer Wideband setup, which comes with a new Bosch LSU 4.2 wideband lambda. Gauge with this looks very similar to Robin's Stack one. Has digi bar sweep and numerical figure display with mode buttons. Heater element in the lamaba is triggered by excess of 13.5 volts by the gauge.
whatever you do don't set the heater element to start when it sees 13.5volts as you'll only see 13.5volts when you start the car, ignition alone won't give 14.5volts, if you start the car without heating up the probe you'll knacker it, i have recently replaced mine due to that reason, now my heater comes on manually when i press one of the buttons on the gauge itself.
i have no issues whatsoever with my stack one, looks pimp next to my stack boost and oil gauges.
I'm aware that condesation on the lambda fooks it if not pre heated (also needs to be positioned in the top half of exhaust pipe so not to catch residual dampness) The Lambda is only activated to start reading if higher than 13.5 volts (ie when alternator is working), i get a 20 second countdown for preheat before lamda starts reading. Gauge can be set to overide, so preheat is on all the time if you get a fooked alternator.
Here's mine, looks reet along side my VDOs :)
(http://www.truckcustomizers.com/images/prods/AUM/K8AUM404.58.jpg)
Nick where did you get that gauge from?
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I love my innovate lc1 set up, very accurate and very easy to use and logworks is very very usefull
I bought the LC1 db gauge kit, after quite a bot of research it seemed that it was the best 'budget' set up compared to others
Also happens to be for sale if anyone wants it all :)