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Technical => Engine and Transmission => Topic started by: Etches on October 16, 2012, 07:13:43 PM

Title: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 16, 2012, 07:13:43 PM
Right after getting the turbo conversion up and running managed about 200 miles before problems started. Half way back from Gti fest a loud tapping noise came from the engine bay. Checked the oil, absolutely dry. Filled her up at Leciester Forest East till she was at the top of the dipstick. Engine still tapped untill I got home. Checked the oil again and it was pretty much on the bottom of the dipstick so filled her up again.

Smoke then started to pour out , checked the oil now it said it was overfilled. Drained the oil fully and chucked in 3 lt so it was about 1/4 up the dipstick.

Engine is now tapping loudly and smoking like a house on fire.

From my mates I've spoke to and myself we think its either a fried ring or a melted piston, although its running on 4 cylinders

Thing is my AFR was reading 10 whenever on 0.2-0.4 boost as my 6psi switch actually needed getting up there. Engine temps were always cool too.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Jezza-7 on October 16, 2012, 07:46:17 PM
Not a turbo oil seal?

Only cause my charger oil seal failed and did the same.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 16, 2012, 08:24:50 PM
I dunno, this is the sort of smoke where the guy behind you cant see where they are going. I've had leaky charger seals before and thats been blue smoke. This is pure white like a steam engine!
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Jezza-7 on October 16, 2012, 08:59:23 PM
Yeah sounds exactly the same to me mate. The charger scroll seal was eaten and it emptied out all the oil. Was pure white smoke out the back and the road disappeared behind me, was quite funny.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 17, 2012, 09:15:22 AM
Hmm, guess ill check the turbo outlet aswell then. Hopefully this tapping source can be found too , sounds like its coming from the head not the bottom end though and its not light enough just to be tappets
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: grayg40 on October 17, 2012, 12:43:26 PM
there is a turbo fault finding chart in the turbo section, that might give you a hand
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: xandyx on October 17, 2012, 02:12:09 PM
check out the intake pipes for oil. maybe your turbo bearing/bush has a bit of play and can't seal right.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: youngprodigys on October 17, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
white smoke sounds right if its getting through the turbo bearing and out the exhaust very hot - BLUE smoke if its going through the engine and being burnt with the petrol.

can you see any leaks? like the oil drain or the pressure line to the turbo from the head.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: xandyx on October 17, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
ups, my bad.. didn't read above it was white smoke..
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on October 22, 2012, 09:02:06 PM
Whip the plugs out and take a picture
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 25, 2012, 10:38:19 PM
Ill get a pic up of the plugs soon Pete, turns out its skipped a tooth in the acw direction. Shall see how it runs after I've changed that back. Took the turbo outlet pipe off and there was a little oil, started her up and no apparent oil came out.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 26, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
Video of the hideous noise :(

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Heres the plugs

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(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/etches69/0D3EC9B5-D02B-43A4-8DB9-249A530B7D6C-14203-00000769052E9183.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/etches69/7ABB7A8A-07F0-4614-9102-ACA587EDA435-14203-000007690E90C3DD.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/etches69/E60860B9-525D-41EB-8E66-3046363DFE98-14203-000007691AD1F527.jpg)

Looks like plug ones been melted

I'm going to compression test it tomorrow hopefully
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: vwmk3jon on October 26, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
not running bosch plugs?
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on October 26, 2012, 08:47:44 PM
BP7EVX NGK?

Quite clearly it's rich (I guess to the point of rich missfire) but can't tell from the plugs if it's burning oil- can you get a better pic?

Check boost pipes for oil, check how much is being passed out the crankcase- if a piston has gone combustion pressure will be pressurising the cranckcase forcing oil/vapour out.

Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 31, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
Crankcase breather is fine no oil particularly coming out quick. Its defo burning oil as white smokes coming out and its not burning water.

Closer pics of the plugs with flash Pete?

Guna borrow my mates Bore scope and have a look at each cylinder see whats cracking.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on October 31, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
Was plug 1 tight when you took it out?
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on October 31, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
Yeah all were really tight. Was a mint runner before turbo went down as I went by something andy said yonks ago about engines having to be running well before the conversion.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on October 31, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
Compression check next.

Can you explain this:

"Thing is my AFR was reading 10 whenever on 0.2-0.4 boost as my 6psi switch actually needed getting up there. Engine temps were always cool too. "

Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: AlexG40 on October 31, 2012, 09:50:36 PM
Could this be bore wash?
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on October 31, 2012, 10:41:17 PM
Soon tell by dropping the oil- if there's enough fuel in it, should light fairly easily, and stink of fuel.

Sounds like something spesh is happeneing with your 6psi switch...
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on November 01, 2012, 07:54:13 AM
My switch was intiating full fueling early at around 0.3bar . What I was trying to say was that the engine temp, oil pressure etc etc was looking good.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on November 01, 2012, 08:07:26 AM
So about 4.3psi compared to 6psi. That on it's own wouldn't cause a massive overfueling issue, I suspect it's combined with another problem, especially if you're saying it's very rich on cruise (part throttle)?

Compression check (wet and dry) then go from there.
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on November 04, 2012, 05:10:08 PM
Right today I've done some snooping around

Number 1 cylinder

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234 looked good on the bore scope.

Then proceeded with a dry compression check

6 9 8 10

I will do the wet check tomorrow. Looks like cylinder 1 has melted
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Yoof on November 04, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
Fuel pump, injectors and filter/lines all good?
Title: Re: 200 miles turbo then...
Post by: Etches on November 04, 2012, 06:27:21 PM
Injectors were cleaned before I got em. Fuel pumps always been decent and the afm always read pretty rich. Looks like carbon deposits but no. 1 pressures not good . What sort of pressure am
I looking for Pete?