anyone ever seen one of these before? Saw the link posted on cgti but bidding has ended :'(
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180812003517
Looks a bit like the ones RP-Motorsport used to sell
Alex is right, UK cup cars had stock sumps but had windage trays.
Windage trays; a few have attempted them iirc. Did anyone ever get one off the ground? I reckon they would be a sure fire seller.
I got one and there ok, have to chop them down to fit but i never really had a problem with the oil light/buzzer coming on before and have never had it come on with it fitted. You only really need the trays if your doing track IMO.
I'd be interested in a baffled sump and/or windage tray if anyone fancies knocking a batch up! Didn't duck used to have one in his 235 BHP eaton'd conversion?
Where is he nowadays? Still posting anywhere?
Hmm, maybe I should look into this...
Justin im back in essex at the end of the month for 2 weeks. Want to have a look at mine to make measurements?
I have a PPP windage tray, it's in my room at my parents' house in Cardiff awaiting a baffled sump. I never did get the baffled sump though.
True story.
I've got a PPP one on mine, it's been there for a few years. Never had any issues with it. Not sure if it really does anything though :D
I couldn't remember what one did. After reading some random yank forum about muscle cars it seems they're there to break/ distort the vortex created around the crank that stops oil from lubricating the bottom end properly.
Is that correct or have I been subject to some internetingzzz? If it's not true then what's it do mister?
also stops the crank getting covered in oil as much so keeps it's weight down. Can also act as a horizontal baffle in some cases.
Any chance of PPP making any more? perhaps they could make some that include some baffles that hang down into the sump? or do baffles only work when they are in the bottom of the sump?
I would definitely be interested in a baffled sump, but the welding of a stock item looks pretty tricky. If it's been done before though it could be done again; would be a good group buy item.
http://www.bar-tek-tuning.com/lshop,showdetail,3462,en,1332283600-3591,1138132527.1138132721,2140062,29,Tshowrub--1138132527.1138132721,.htm
Don't like the idea of trimming the baffles for a G40, but...
http://www.rp-motorsport.de/glader/g40-tuning.htm ... here aluminium oil sump costs 139 euro
Not a job for the Dremel; wonder if they provide templates?
rpm - their phone number doesnt work and dont reply to emails.... i think they must no longer trade
out of interest, does anyone know what the difference in a g40 bottom end is that means the baffles need trimming to fit it compared to a normal 1.3?
i stumbled across this one the other day online
http://www.sgt-motorsport.de/g-lader-technik/g40-tuningteile/p1315_g40-aluminium-oelwanne-sgt.html
http://www.maxrpm.de/Aluminum-oil-pan-with-oil-scots-and-cooling-fins-all-VW-Polo-86c-G40
Better pictures on here..
also no mention of editing :/ ....
**just for note, if there was a group buy a could be interested also!**
It does mention editing. http://www.maxrpm.de/pdf/MaxRPM_Aluminium-Oelwanne_Polo.pdf (http://www.maxrpm.de/pdf/MaxRPM_Aluminium-Oelwanne_Polo.pdf) not too bad though.
i cant seem to translate it ..
but im guessing the markers are whats to be cut!
your right it doesn't look that bad!...
Wonder if we contact them maybe form some group discount might be in order..
Ive already been emailing Thorsten Schlagwein from Maxrpm.de - if we get a few names down or number i can just pop an email again and get a quote!
bartek do them too.... i have an accuont with both if you want me to ask?
Yes pete that would be great,
best getting prices from both..
see what discount we could get..
You might also want to write up the benefits have these for people who aint interested to become interested..
will help boost numbers and maybe benefit us all on pricing
i desperately need a sump to finish building the new engine so would defo be interested if we can get a group buy?
Main benefit is the fins increase the surface area of the sump. This helps keep temperatures down. It wont essentially cool the oil like an oil cooler, but it will help keep the oil cooler than normal operating temps. They are effective. By the looks of it in the photos its got plates inside to keep the oil near the oil pick up to prevent it from oil starvation.
Also im sure ally has better cooling properties than steels sumps.
For the same price i got an oil cooler kit and windage tray which kinda does the same job but better. I have never had the buzzer or light go off with this added.
The only downside i see to all of this is when the weather is cold, most of the time in the uk, it will take a while to get up to temperature. Comparing this to The aircraft i work on, they dont usually take off for 10 minutes as they need to let oils get to temperature, we got 3 gearboxes on them, one with no fins but a big oil cooler, 2 that are small and have fins with no other cooling aids. When they go to hot environments they have an added cooling fan on the driveshaft that goes into the gearbox which cools it down. This would mean it could take a while to get to temp with these sumps.
So you dont need airflow for the fins, thats the idea of them, but for something thats working very hard and gets hot quickly and easily i would prob just get the oil sump. But then depends on your driving. If its track prob best of with oil cooler as when its being driven hard that oil stat will prob be always open cooling the oil and will get to temp quicker rather than this oil sump.
Does anyone know the sizes of the fins? Do they sit lower than a normal sump cause that will be a problem for lowered cars.
I just looked at the price then and thought whoa! I paid a lot less than that for an oil cooler and windage tray! I paid a total of £30 for tray and £100 for oil cooler.
Also like alex said you can see from photo 3 it will need cutting to suit. That seems a bit stupid, why not just cut it out when they were made? By the looks of how much you need to cut away it was pointless putting that plate actually in it as most of it will be gone!
Windage tray doesnt do the same as a proper baffled sump, a baffled sump stops the oil from all being moved away from the oil pick up, a windage tray is to reduce the amount of oil which gets "whipped up" and moved around due to the counter weights on the crank. think this means slightly more oil will stay in the sump rather than on and around the crank,also reduceses foaming or getting air into the oil. thats what i think it does anyway
Yeah that is true. i have gone round some corners stupidly hard and still dont get the light/buzz come on. The tray does go quite low so maybe it helps keeping the oil in there somehow.
To be honest i have never had the oil buzz go off since the oil cooler was fitted.
Just under £300 seems a lot for a sump though, i know it has benefits but im sure a mocal oil cooler will be a better cheaper buy.
Them ones that were €140 seemed reasonably priced.
Or just put your own baffles in.
cant realy see that you need one unless your run slicks and track your car on a regular baisis - that said they doo look nice ;D
The roads round here are my track.. and am a full time D!ck of a driver..
ive had light come on .. only when hard revvin on corners with the Gravel grip (cant remember proper name)
but a plan on replacing oil pump for OEM vw (advised by jezza) for hte g60 conv.
None of those designs look that good.
Pukka motorsport sump:
(http://myimages.uk-plc.net/c314612/honda-k20-baffled-sump.jpg)
4 baffle plates with trap doors on each. I doubt aluminium fins have a great influence on oil cooling.
For the price of those aluminium ones, you could get an Accusump:
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p3340/ACCUSUMP-ACCUMULATOR-2-PINT-MANUAL/product_info.html?osCsid=77f5eb6436cd286c587ce3c9f36c1c55
Which will work far better, something that I'll invest in this winter I think.
Thats a proper sump :o
Just been reading about them accusump. I never knew they existed. Thats defiantly worth buying!
Do you know much about where the plump into yoof?
i was wondering this also ..
possibly a t peice into on pressure switch... hmm ..
Yes, I can draw you a circuit if you want.
I'd probably use a remote filter take off, to an oil filter, thermostated oil cooler, and on the return line a t-off to the accusump, with a one way valve upstream.
Not massively complex, but does require some additional pipework and fittings.
You also get the bonus of an increase in oil capacity whilst retaining the sump size. Can even use a larger filter etc if you wanted to.
Hmmm interesting. I think this is defiantly worth looking into.
Cheers yoof
Very professional yoof, do you have Temperatures for the thermostat on Oil cooler ?
i was wondering what an 'ideal' temp would be ..
Most oil stats open at 80 degrees. But you might be able to change it.
I looked at those ali sumps on MaxRPM but they are loads of money for what they are and i dont think that design is going to that efficient. In my opinion its hinged flaps or an Accusump system.
Have you looked into the Accusump system any further Yoof?