Due to nearing the end of my engine build i am looking into sorting the problem of oil surge and splash. What i am after is obviously a baffled sump and windage tray. I have looked fairly well on ebay.de and other sites and this does not seem to be some thing that comes about very often. Does anyonwe know where i can source either of these things, do ppp still sell the windage tray? I have also thought about the making of a baffled sump and wondered whether anyone has any plans for doing this at all?
Thanks
RP-Motorsport sell baffled sumps:
http://www.rp-motorsport.de/glader/g40-tuning.htm
And PPP used to sell windage trays, but they don't seem to be listed on Club Polo any more.
does that sump actually have baffles in it? The description just says it's ribbed for heat dissipation, doesn't actually say it's baffled inside which you'd have thought they would mention if it was.
I have one of the windage trays that PPP used to sell but I dont think they can get them anymore, required a bit of chopping about to make it fit anyway.
Yeah it doesnt actually look like that sump has baffles just external fins to act as heat soakes. This seems to be the problem - no one seems to supply one. I have emailed Thorsten @ G-laderseite to see if he comes back with anything and Sorg but i dont really want to pay silly money for a sump to be honest...
I read on CP after doing a search that Gofasterpinch, Yeha and currie all mentioned making one. Anyone know if any home brew ones came about?
Could maybe get in contact with Schrick?
G-Spot has an RP-Motorsport one, he's the best person to ask about whether it's baffled. I always thought it was, but it's not unknown for me to be wrong!
Quote from: Max on June 16, 2009, 09:42:09 AM
Could maybe get in contact with Schrick?
Yeah looked at Shcrick but they only list one and thats not for a Polo :( Golf lovers as usual lol !!
Quote from: Alex on June 16, 2009, 09:43:54 AM
G-Spot has an RP-Motorsport one, he's the best person to ask about whether it's baffled. I always thought it was, but it's not unknown for me to be wrong!
Alex thanks for your input, hopefully G-Spot will shed some light on it, wasnt saying you were wrong back there, just strange they dont mention the baffles on the site! Will probably email RP-Motorsport to see what they say if they can understand my english!
Thorsten (g-laderseite) has just got back to me (quick as) he can supply a baffled sump for a staggering 287euro including postage to the uk?! The pic didnt work on the email but that had best be made from some aerospace grade uber alloy. The Shcrick one is lonly listed at £180ish iirc! :D . Erm me thinks probably not on that one!
I'm currently making a brace and jig to fit baffles into the standard sump.
I'm also designing a windage tray better than the ones that were on germany ebay.
Quote from: Dan on June 16, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
I'm currently making a brace and jig to fit baffles into the standard sump.
I'm also designing a windage tray better than the ones that were on germany ebay.
Thats pretty interesting! When you recon you will have manufactured them by? Also will you be willing to produce copies or give out the designs? (for beer tokens of course!)
Yes, the baffled sumps will be no problem. Send me your old sump or a new one to modify and I will send it back with baffles.
The windage tray, I will have a prototype made and trial fit it to see what it's like before producing more copies. These will be laser cut stainless steel. The more people wanting, would bring the price down slightly.
Next week or two I will have the brace & jig made (I have the material) and get an example to show.
Dan, I'd probably be interested in buying a set of baffles off you to weld in myself assuming you are getting those laser cut too? Might also be interested in a windage tray if they are better than the one I've got now.
Quote from: Dan on June 17, 2009, 07:57:12 AM
Yes, the baffled sumps will be no problem. Send me your old sump or a new one to modify and I will send it back with baffles.
The windage tray, I will have a prototype made and trial fit it to see what it's like before producing more copies. These will be laser cut stainless steel. The more people wanting, would bring the price down slightly.
Next week or two I will have the brace & jig made (I have the material) and get an example to show.
Sweet! Well i shall keep my eyes peeled on this post then. Will be good to see some an example and I would have thought that you could sell a good few of these if they are quality! 8)
i might also be interested. ;)
Paul, I could possibly supply the baffles on their own. But the reason I'm making a jig and brace is to clamp the sump down whilst the baffles are being welded in. This will help reduce distortion of the sump as it's only sheet steel.
Quote from: Alex on June 16, 2009, 09:43:54 AM
G-Spot has an RP-Motorsport one, he's the best person to ask about whether it's baffled. I always thought it was, but it's not unknown for me to be wrong!
Hope these pic's help clarify taken last time I had it off(oooh missus)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jason1974/Image039.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jason1974/Image038.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jason1974/Image036.jpg)
and of course when fitted all new a couple of years back
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jason1974/SUMP.jpg)
looks good mate! Basicly the exact design of the one that G-laderseite can supply - just without the RPM stamped on the bottom. Trouble is its way to much @ circa £220! Guess you paid alot less then that though :)
About £70 plus a few euro's postage if I recall.
Helps keep oil temp down, but still get beeps on long hard left hand bends, looks good too if you ever roll your car over :o not tried it tho!
yeah those baffles don't look very effective, they aren't going to hold oil back much if at all. Does it have a larger capacity than the standard sump?
yes and no, the shape is slightly bigger than the press steel sump's, but due to the thickness(displacement) of the cast-in baffles and the fact that is has a thicker wall than a pressed steel one it doesn't noticably take anymore oil to fill it. If you fitted one of the aluminium windage trays then they actually get your sump sitting 2/3mm(ish) lower which means you get that extra distance on your dip stick hence allowing you extra capacity, but the trade off being that your pick-up on scavenge of the oil pump now sits futher from the base of the sump, thus reducing is scavenge ability. Which leads to another problem, that by having the sump sitting lower with the wingage tray(and due to thickness of alloy sump mating face and walls etc) the drivers side inboard CV joint was rubbing the sump, so found myself in the dilemar of dress away some of the sump or not fit the tray, needless to say I kept the sump in tact and ditched the tray at that stage!
Have no fear, tooling is being made. The metal for the jig has been cut today and I've been sorting out baffle plates of suitable size and thickness. Needless to say they will be more effective than the small ones in the RPM one pictured (not that I'm putting it down). There might even be trapdoors on the baffles so the oil can return one way only ;)
Still working on the design for the windage tray, a few tweeks here and there before it goes out to be made.
Dan, sounds like you got some good ideas there, don't forget to allow suitable clearance for the pick-up, its suprising how close it lies to everything within my RPM one, which makes for quite clever distrubution(its not just random bulkheads).
Sounds like its gonna be top bananna!
1 jig made, pics to follow.... :)
any pics yet dan? ;D
Quote from: Dan on June 25, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
Have no fear, tooling is being made. The metal for the jig has been cut today and I've been sorting out baffle plates of suitable size and thickness. Needless to say they will be more effective than the small ones in the RPM one pictured (not that I'm putting it down). There might even be trapdoors on the baffles so the oil can return one way only ;)
Still working on the design for the windage tray, a few tweeks here and there before it goes out to be made.
Any news on these Dan? Still very interested!
Still want one of these! You got any further Dan?
did this ever get finished?