Club G40 Forum
Classifieds => Cars for sale => Topic started by: 1982mk1 on May 26, 2016, 07:09:34 pm
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Make: VW
Model: Polo G40
Year/Reg: 1994 L Reg. First registered in Northampton.
Color: Alpine White
Mileage: 104.000mi on G40, Reshelled with '91 CL Donor Shell with arpox. 92.000mi
MOT: Currently with out MOT, but if there is some one interesed in buying, I will sell with a full years ticket.
Tax: SORN
Location: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Spec: This is my '94 original G40 (Reshelled) I brought her after she was wrecked in a roll back in January 2012 and transplated everything across to a solid 91'CL shell in Alpine white including Engine, Gear box, ECU, Clocks, brake system, front end running gear & rear beam. I also upgraded and refreshed many parts throughout the build.
Original 1272cc block with standard internals and head.
Jabba sport R1 spec G-lader serviced with new bearings, seals and toothed belt and run in a few hundred miles roughly. Brought from member Djtez, who had it rebuilt by yoof, and then run in by PeteG40.
So apart from that, its a freshly serviced charger ready to boost hard.
New braided hose oil feed from block to charger. New charger out let rubber, and full front mount I/C fitted infront of the rad with rerouted pipe work through O/S inner wing & new slim line fan fitted to rad.
PSD Toothed pully set-up 63mm I think, and believed to be phase 2 with a fresh belt from peteg40.
Brand new NGK (****) Spark plugs (not yet fitted), new leads, rotar arm and distributor cap
Jabba Sport green filter induction kit .Aprox 3000km
Re-studded exhaust manifold with fresh gasket, fresh gasket on the inlet T/B and manifold, new head gasket. Comes with a decat 2-1 downpipe from a GT, but the cat downpipe is currently fitted.
Fresh oil, and oil filter. Coolant flush. 1000k ago
Brand new up-rated fuel pump
PPP G40 chip, but have no idea on power, as i have never had her tested. I could imagine some where up around the 140-150 bhp area.
1000km ago front discs, front pads, rear pads and handbrake cable replaced and fresh brake fluid. Water pump and gasket replaced with timing belt.
Chassis: Brand new H&R Cup 60/40 kit, new front & rear topmounts, rear axel bushes, Tca bushes, G-lader ARB blocks. Selfmade front Chassis brace (Tca > Tca mount) and front radiator support upgraded for a stiffer front end. Running 13" BBS RA's with good rubber all round.
Interior: The interior is from a GT model with the double folding rear bench and is in good used condition. Gt/G40 steering wheel, G40 motorsport gear knob, CD player with Pioneer dash hidden dash speakers. Stack oil pressure and boost guage mounted in central console
Body work: I repaired the battery tray (common area of rust) with fresh metal, under seal and fresh top coat & the wiring in the scuttle/bay has been tidied up and routed in a nice way. The orgional washer bottle is not fitted as the I/C pipe runs where it once sat. Now it will have a washed bag with motor installed for the MOT.
The sills have been cleaned up and painted with underseal. The underside is in good condition mostly, although there are a few areas that could use a clean up and undersealing. The fuel tank has never been changed, so maybe this is something to consider for the future.
The body work in general is well aged, with scraches, car parking dents (front drivers wing & the bootlid are the 2 worst) I will include a NOS and original D/S wing in the sale, and also paint and fit it if i have time in the next months. I had plans of slowly replacing part for part over the years and restoring her fully, but things change and she has been sat up inside a dry garage for the last few years. The charger and the block where all oiled often and always pumped oil fully throughout the system before starting her up again and left to warm up slowly.
This is a rough advert of the car and spec based on what I can remember from a year ago, once I check through the folder of reciepts and history that comes with the car, I can add a more detailed description, but this is a general over view of the car.
Any questions are welcomed and I will answer with the best of my knowledge.
I am currently living in Germany and travelling here and there & the car is located back home in Norfolk, England. So If there is the right interest from someone, I will of course arrange a viewing and if you are wanting to buy her, I will come in person and do the deal myself, with a fresh MOT.
Reason for selling is the same as alot of people here, I just dont have the time to drive her at the moment and I wish that someone would enjoy her and have some summer B road fun . Plus I am looking to fund a T4 van here in Germany for travelling so its time to part. I have put alot into her over the past years, and have done everything to a high standard.
Price. £2200 with full MOT, cash only and no swaps this time.
Contact details: the.reverb@hotmail dot co dot uk
Pictures:
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Again, these pictures are from a while ago, but the first 2 show how she is sitting now. The mini-lites are not available any more (about 2 summers ago)
More photos to follow.
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im very intrested can u send me your number and ill get in touch abour the g40
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I'm a bit confused, reshelled with a 91 shell. Why is it on the 94 G40 plate? Did you swap the VIN numbers too?
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The shell is a 94 CL shell, he's put all his 91 G40 bits into it.
Isn't this technically a conversion then and not an 'original'
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"Reshelled with '91 CL Donor Shell"
The reg comes back as a genuine G40 in white registered in 1994. But if it is a 91 CL shell shouldn't it come back as a CL registered in 1991?
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Yes thats how i read it.
Looks like the old identity has been moved across, which could cause problems as it looks like its not the true identity of the car, as the car is a 1991 car
Sure the owner will be along to clarify the situation soon
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Hey guys. Nice questions.
So its like this, I brought a complete 1991 CL 1.3 a year before I found the G40. I then came across a wrecked G40 and brought this also. The cars basically swapped their shells, from the G40 shell (the rolled one) into the CL.
The VIN plates and number plates came with the swap. So it depends on how you want to look at it. I see it from the view of reshelling a wrecked original G40 from the shell of the CL and saved a otherwise perfect car.
Or you could see it as a CL with G40 engine & running gear ect.. in which case, it would be listed as a conversion.
So as it stands now, with the Reg L429 TBD, it will come up as an Alpine white original G40. So there for, I am offering her as that.
Hope this clears up any confusions ;)
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I should also add that I have a rather large folder of history, past MOT's, parts brought and work done to the G40.
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If this is for sale in a few weeks I'll be very interested!
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Hi do you have a contact no please
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Hi, Im currently in Germany at the moment, so for me it is easier to speak via Pm or email, which is listed in the ad.
But by all means, if you want to call and pay a little extra per min, as its over seas, then I will happily give you my number.
Cheers,
David
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A few extra pictures from today
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So it's not an original g40 at all. Have you changed the vin numbers on the chassis?
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Yes, exactly. I changed the VIN plates. So as it is, its registered as an Alpine white G40.
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Is it not illegal to change vin plates / chassis numbers??
as you are basically claiming another car is something that it is not hence fraud?
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Im not sure. When I did the swap, 3 years ago, I just did what i felt what right. Okay, maybe not the best idea, but now all the paper work is in order, the car has the correct VIN plates for the Reg, so all is well, no?
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So what happened to the VIN and reg that was for that shell? Did you put that away to scrap with the original G40 shell?
I've tried Googling the legalities behind this and can't find much on it, but don't know if I'm looking in the right place. A lot of what I keep finding suggests this is no different 'ringing' a car.
Do you have a picture of the VIN number on the scuttle panel? I want to see if it looks like it has been tampered with.
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The Vin and reg from the 1.3 Cl went to scrap with the G40 shell yes.
When I swapped the scuttle panel vin, I tried to make it look as if it was standard. It needs a touch of paint here and there, but then again the whole bay would benifit from a respray.
I could have kept quiet about the cars history, and sold it with out any truth behind the advert, so I think I should get a golden star for my honesty...right?!?!
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I do admire your honesty. But that doesn't make what you did any less dodgy.
The G40 reg does that have a write off against it?
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No, the previous owner who had the accident didnt have it registered as written off.
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I could have kept quiet about the cars history, and sold it with out any truth behind the advert, so I think I should get a golden star for my honesty...right?!?!
just because you're honest doesn't mean it's right ::) I suspect the car would be classed as a ringer, as I understand it you can only reshell (and keep existing identity) into a brand new shell that hasn't been registered previously.
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or I think you can apply for an IVA as well and then get the "new" shell's VIN/chassis number put onto the G40 V5 if you can pass an IVA that is! I think that's the only genuine way of doing a reshell and keeping the ID without using a new shell. Everything I can find says there is no legal way of transferring one identity on to another shell that already had it's own identity.
I guess this all depends how friendly you are with your MOT tester and how likely it is you are ever going to get pulled over for a vosa check or something.
I think this is a dodgy area but I also think it goes on a lot (esp in the world of Fords etc...)
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Is it not illegal to change vin plates / chassis numbers??
as you are basically claiming another car is something that it is not hence fraud?
I agree with you Pete, I'm pretty sure that swapping vins etc over is very illegal?
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Just to add, this is a for sale thread, not a discussion forum. I think everyone gets the idea. Yes it might not be strictly legal, but i guess it happens all the time, it just goes untold.
So unless anyone has any more questions about the car, then please try to refrain from posting un-useful stuff.
Cheers.
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Shouldn't this be moved into the parts for sale section, as its essentially a conversion for sale, just in a rolling shell, as the car looks like it is illegal for the road, and i believe any use on the road could see it impounded.
As such £2,200 for an engine conversion looks a little expensive.
I would have been going to look at this but for this massive issue
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It could lead to this if you were to be found out, but as the car is carrying the right reg, vin plates and color, how can it be a problem?
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Well for a start you've announced it on the internet. Did you remove the sticker in the boot? I'm sure that has the VIN number on it too.
Fair enough you are unlikely to be found out but I don't think it is worth the risk. Really this is only good for use as a full conversion
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Yeah true, not the wisest of things to have done.
Should have just lied about the whole thing, probably would have sold by now right haha.
Well i guess Im open to offers on a conversion price then.
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Hi,
Id first like to add well done for putting in the time and effort for saving a G40 and putting her back on the road! fair enough you cant sell as a "original" G but you've been honest with everyone which i appreciate. To all the guys slating this guy, hes gone to all the time and effort re shelling his previous G40, okay its not original but if you guys really knew your stuff you should know that the chassis and shells are more or less identical in all mk2f polos. Im a G owner myself and building a V8 BMW e28 with completely different running gear, air ride setup, bigger brakes, different wheels, custom exhaust ect. I am telling you guys this as you can clearly see that my BMW is hardly going to be "original" once complete. Does this mean that my car is going to be illegal... yes most probably (if i inform the dvla they will ask so which part is original ... the shell :/ not going to go down too well now is it!) ! Do i give a fuck... Nope! That's what car building is about and if any of you guys have a problem then i suggest you go back and cry to your mumma about it :). Apologies for the rant, just some peoples comments are so lame its unbelievable.
Regards to all the haters lol
Tom
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It's not the conversion that people have an issue with, it's the ringing of the vehicles identity. Wether shells are identical or not it's still not legitimate.
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Exactly if this sort of thing was allowed then wouldn't all the original G40s still be on the go?
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okay, so when people build new chassis for cars what do you think they do...? stamp the original vin number into it. like i said its a way of protecting your car against the DVLA as they will try and find any way possible to prevent classic cars being on the road.
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Hi,
Id first like to add well done for putting in the time and effort for saving a G40 and putting her back on the road! fair enough you cant sell as a "original" G but you've been honest with everyone which i appreciate. To all the guys slating this guy, hes gone to all the time and effort re shelling his previous G40, okay its not original but if you guys really knew your stuff you should know that the chassis and shells are more or less identical in all mk2f polos. Im a G owner myself and building a V8 BMW e28 with completely different running gear, air ride setup, bigger brakes, different wheels, custom exhaust ect. I am telling you guys this as you can clearly see that my BMW is hardly going to be "original" once complete. Does this mean that my car is going to be illegal... yes most probably (if i inform the dvla they will ask so which part is original ... the shell :/ not going to go down too well now is it!) ! Do i give a fuck... Nope! That's what car building is about and if any of you guys have a problem then i suggest you go back and cry to your mumma about it :). Apologies for the rant, just some peoples comments are so lame its unbelievable.
Regards to all the haters lol
Tom
Behave please, this isnt a childrens forum. I think most people, yourself inculded would be pretty annoyed if you've paid for a genuine car and found out it was an illegal ringer with a false id.
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okay, so when people build new chassis for cars what do you think they do...? stamp the original vin number into it. like i said its a way of protecting your car against the DVLA as they will try and find any way possible to prevent classic cars being on the road.
but you're missing the point. That's the correct way to do it with a new shell. welding a false identity onto a shell from another car isn't the right way to do it, perhaps it was an honest mistake (I think it must be or the OP would have just not mentioned it and the car would probably be sold by now), but it's still not a legal car.
It goes on all the time yes but in theory this could end up being taken off you and crushed. however unlikely that is, it could happen. And whoever buys this needs to bear it in mind.
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Thanks alot to everyone with their concerns. I have been honest and truthful in every word written, and yes, I made an mistake. Thank you to all for pointing it out so well.
Fuck the Dvla. Fuck the system. I saved a G40 and in my eyes it was totally worth it, regardless of anything.
The car is sold. You can close this thread.
Good bye clubpolo G40. What a pleasure it was.
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Thanks alot to everyone with their concerns. I have been honest and truthful in every word written, and yes, I made an mistake. Thank you to all for pointing it out so well.
Fuck the Dvla. Fuck the system. I saved a G40 and in my eyes it was totally worth it, regardless of anything.
The car is sold. You can close this thread.
Good bye clubpolo G40. What a pleasure it was.
It's still wrong....
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memories of the tom garett saga hahaha
OP has been honest, but the guy who you just sold to, when he sells it and omits the information you have honestly given to earn a quick buck, who is to blame then?
Ive done many a G40 conversion and saved loads, but i dont try and pass it off as an original. Interesting post though it is funny how peoples views differ!