Club G40 Forum
Technical => Engine and Transmission => Topic started by: dub-disaster on October 02, 2010, 12:55:03 pm
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Started fitting my quaife today all was going well untill I went to fit the second bearing inner race to the diff (speedo drive ring side) the housing for the bearing is to small tried the old bearing and both new bearings on it and they jus slide on by hand and I can rotate the innermost race of the bearing on the shaft . Soo pissed of as it was all going well untill then I though quaife stuff was top qualty didn't expect this at all. Just wondered if any one else had problems with there quaife atbs ??
I shall be ringing them up Monday and in sure they shall rectify the problem just means more inconvience and even more time before I can run my car again. Little annoyed as when you pay almost £600 for a brand new diff from a decent manufacturer you expect quality obvoiusly not !
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Just been to fit mine after reading this earlier, and I too have exact same problem >:( I even managed to pull the new bearing back off again with my fingers! Its the bell housing side diff bearing seat which is the problem, box side is fine. I used new VAG bearings too. Looks like Quaife will have to spec up and supply some new bearings which would probaly be cheaper than re-tooling the diffs which have gone out.
PM me your diff serial number and I will see if its near mine. I bought it 12 months ago but not fitted it until today.
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Reading Dan Barnes fitting guide in the FAQ's, he says his just tapped the bearing on with the palm of his hand once it had been heated. The bell housing side one was the same for me, but on the other side I still needed to use a bit of hammer persuasion.
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As you say nick it's bell housing side that has cause the problem it's sloppy as fuck I can pull abd push it on and of and rotate it with my fingers as you say. I'll be ringing them asap Monday morning.
I also used genuine vag bearings abd they don't fit ! The one on the other side was a good fi I used a press to fit mine as I've got one at work n it makes life realy easy :P
I bought mine in club lupo group buy so more than likley they will be very close on manufactur dates I will post the serial when I get home later. But I'm rather annoyed as this is a baisic thing that I though quaife would know how to do !! Even worse it's not just mine as they can't just send me a brand new one there going to either has to find a new bearing fix the diffs or they will just sugest using bearing fit but that is a major bodge that I ain't happy with !!
Where did you find the serial number as the diffs at work n I can't find it on any paperwork I've got . Still got the guarentee though thankfuly :)
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Hmm, will have to see if I can find an old race kicking about in my garage and try in on Pete's ATB that I've had in a kitchen cupboard for the last year waiting to be fitted.
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Here is the problematic bearing end on one of Dan's photos:
(http://derby.polog40.co.uk/photos/barningfield/DSC00420.JPG)
The serial number is etched on the side of the diff, its not on any of my paperwork. Got mine in the C.L group buy too.
You could probably get it to bite by roughing up the two mating faces with sand paper, but if it lets go somewhere down the line you wouldn't know until too late. I've seen the damage a slack fitting bearing can do to an OEM diff housing, not good.
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I think it's pretty crap that they've let at least two of there diffs out the factory like this, dan didnt seem to have any problem with his though. Although he said it fitted on easily he hasn't mentioned any problems.
We will see what they have to say monday morning .
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Dunno if Dan has driven the car he has put the diff in yet. I'd be concerned if the bearing race isn't tight, if it spins it'll make a mess. Be interested to hear what quaife say about it.
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If they suggest using a Bearing fit/retainer, then they're still going to have to honour the lifetime warranty.
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if they suggest using bearing fit ill defiantly consider asking for a refund a getting another diff to be honest. i got a quaife because its fit and forget not fit and keep claiming on the warranty ( wich obviously means taking my box in and out wich is exactly what i was trying to avoid.
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Very interested in what they have to say, as I was planning on getting one too.
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Quick update, phones them up this morning I spoke to a man called dave and he said the last batch they made all had this fault in the machining of the bearing housing. I mentioned about yours nick and he was suprised to hear that one that was purchased so ling ago had this defect I got the purchase date down on my guarantee as the 5th of march, when was yours nick ?? He said the faulty batch was made in may !! Think somone mist have been not paying attention when machining these and then they all must of slipped through quality controll if there is any!
But in there defense they have sorted a courier to come collect it today and I should have a new one sent to me by the end of the week exellent.
When I said about yours nick he told me to tell you to email him direct I had to even after phoning him, I think it's so they can document any problems with them. His email is dave@quaife.co.uk
Hayesey I'd get out there n check petes one when did he buy it he didn't get it in club lupo group buy did he ?!
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he got in it some group buy or other, not sure which. Fairly sure it was earlier than May though, I think it's been in my kitchen cupboard since before May.
I'll measure it up tonight.
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twas over a year ago - but was in club lupo buy - the same as Nick_s's so high probability its a bit poo!
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feck!
I'll let you know tonight.
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The press fit bolts get buggered if you fit then remove them from the quaife as it's super hard the little splines on the bolts get flattened as you fit them so Im now £18 out of pocket for 6 bolts !!! Thanks quaife :(
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Mine is deffo an early one, from the same batch as Pete's and Dan Barnes's.
I'll get in touch with Quaife. Damn, I'll be loosing 6x press fit bolts and a new VAG diff bearing! Can you remove bearings safely without bending them?
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From measuring pete's it looks like one side is about 0.5mm undersized.
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well mine is from that same club lupo group buy so im geussing the same batch, maybe it sat on a shelf longer but im geussing same batch. Unlucky pete looks like youll be giving them a phone call aswell ! Hvae you ung them yet nick ?
and yes i managed to get the bearing of without damaging it they have nice slots under either side of the housing so you can get a bearing puller underneath. i did mine with he 2 part clamp type ten put i between two bits of angle in the pess at work popped of no problem no damage to the bearing but as i said the bolts look pretty chewed up mite get away using them again but i doubt it.
I did fire off an email to this dave at quaife and asked if they fancied covering the cost of the press fit bolts aswell seeing as if the manufacturing defect was to blame for me needing 18 quids woth of new bolts.
The courier picked mine up today at 2pm they have been very helpful to be honest doubt ill get them tocouh up for the bolts though i thought it was worth a go al they can do is say no.
Let me know how you guys get on ill let you know when i get my new diff if the old bolts will grip enough for me to tourque up the nuts
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Assuming they'll probably just replace the top cover i'd have left the bolts and bearing on. Or did they say they'll replace the entire unit?
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Bit naughty of Quaife not to do a recall on a dodgy batch of parts - but at least they're sorting it for people!
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Funny andy i was thinking the same thing earlier i thought there would have been a recall especials as you have to register when you buy for the life time warranty so it snot like they havnt got our details. but the bloke on the phone did seem like they thought that all the defective ones where from a more recent batch and that he knew about most of them or thats how it came across i may be wrong though. Maybe they where just waiting for people to find out in there own time !! But asyou say they are sorting it although i should think so aswell with a baisic error like that and a lie time warranty
Hayesey yes they asked for just the bare diff back unfortunatly as i did think about leaving them in.From hat i gather tey have to replace that top cover but ithink any being replaced will just be replaced with ones of the shelf for a quick turnaround but dunno how many they keep on the self.
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I didnt think they kept them on the shelf, hence the need for group buys to get them
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Too late for me to ring when I got home, so just emailed Dave instead. Hopefully I'll get a call back tomorrow.
Seeing as all these are essentially still new, I bet they just remake the defective piece and re-sell them. I doubt they have many on the shelf, so will have to do a recall now.
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I didnt think they kept them on the shelf, hence the need for group buys to get them
You can just buy one, £687 inc. VAT. Group buy of 10 brings prices down. I can't say if they are available off the shelf or made to order though. At least now I know about this potential problem before I get one.
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I think they keep a few on shelf as dave said to me he would just swap it with a new unit of the shelf, maybe they had a couple made up incase any more of these defective ones coming back.
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well it looks like they're going to get more than just a couple coming back!
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Recieved my new one Thursday looks havnt measured it up but I will be fitting it early part of next week I shall keep you all posted.
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Bearing housing correct size, managed to usethe press fit bolts again they touqed up ok and I locktited them in. Even got away with out having to get a new fitted washer as my free play was 1.63-1.64 and ny washer was a 1.95 mm.
Diffs all nicley fitted up now just gotta paint the box rebuild the motor and slot it back in :)