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Technical => Chassis & Braking => Topic started by: randombadger69 on February 13, 2014, 10:51:13 am

Title: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 13, 2014, 10:51:13 am
Need a pair of pads for my G40.

VW part number is:

191-698-151 G for standard G40 and mk2 golf 8v.

191-698-151 for all other solid disc polo pads.

Is there a difference does anyone know?

EBC want about £20 difference for the G40, which if anything must have less material?

Is it just a case of flash boy tax?
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 13, 2014, 01:47:02 pm
So pulled up a thread on club polo.

G40 are 15mm thick.

Non G40 for solid discs are 17mm thick.

Any thoughts on losing 2mm off them on the lathe?

I now sound a real cheapskate! Haha.
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: PeteG40 on February 13, 2014, 08:21:17 pm
I thought vw11 were two different shapes and vw1 were all the same.
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 13, 2014, 08:47:59 pm
Ah perhaps you're right.

If only I hadn't filed all my old pads so well!

Are you referring to the backing or the pad material?

The backing shape on the VWII Vented pads means that they will only fit one way round in relation to the carrier. I remember that much.

Is the pad area smaller on the solid disc pads to get higher pressure?
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: metz on February 14, 2014, 12:22:47 am
Mine rattle like feck on the G. even with new anti rattle clips.  Just wanted to share  ;D
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: PeteG40 on February 14, 2014, 06:57:30 am
Ah perhaps you're right.

If only I hadn't filed all my old pads so well!

Are you referring to the backing or the pad material?

The backing shape on the VWII Vented pads means that they will only fit one way round in relation to the carrier. I remember that much.

Is the pad area smaller on the solid disc pads to get higher pressure?



No idea tbh but g ones do only fit one way.

Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: PeteG40 on February 14, 2014, 07:02:25 am
Mine rattle like feck on the G. even with new anti rattle clips.  Just wanted to share  ;D

Rattle or squeel? As copper Grease helps the latter
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 16, 2014, 08:10:45 am
Right after some speaking with a local supplier they were able to shed some light on this.

VW part number is:

191-698-151 G for standard G40 and mk2 golf 8v.

EBC Number: DP2517 - 138x49x15mm

191-698-151 for all other solid disc polo pads.

EBC Number: DP2515 - 138x51x17mm

Interestingly the local supplier I used was able to supply the correct EBC DP2517 pads for a G40 for £35.50. EBC list these at £52.34. So cheaper to use a local supplier in this instance.  ???
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: samg40 on February 16, 2014, 09:56:44 am
There are a lot better pads than green stuff though IMO, especially for £50!
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: physicsfool on February 16, 2014, 10:46:49 am
There are a lot better pads than green stuff though IMO, especially for £50!

Any suggestions? I am about to invest in pads and discs
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: metz on February 16, 2014, 07:24:17 pm
Rattle Pete, on uneven roads (pretty much all in south yorks) it rattles like a can or marbles. stops if you apply the brakes a little.
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 16, 2014, 09:13:07 pm
There are a lot better pads than green stuff though IMO, especially for £50!

What would you reccomend for the £30-£40 Mark? General road use.

From previous experience EBC Greens create plenty of dust, which with the OE wheels is a bitch. Also found they needed to be used hard to maintain performance. If not used hard for a while found they lost their bite.
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: JoeH on February 17, 2014, 12:37:35 pm
I went with Ferodo DS2500 but they are double your budget.
With your budjet I would just run standard pads, a well serviced brake system would have better benefits...
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: grungeisdead on February 17, 2014, 01:54:29 pm
Also running Ferodo but they will eat your brake discs, they are that good.

Also I wouldn't vouch for greenstuff, dusty ol' beggers and not good for me as I don't like cleaning!
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: grungeisdead on February 17, 2014, 01:56:37 pm
You will probably be ok taking a few mm off the pads (material side), but mask sure you have a mask on and in a well ventilated area as the dust isn't good for your health.

I've done it before my smashing the calipers on with a rubber mallet and just driving the car till the pads wore down against the disc. Was entertaining changing gear, as by the time you'd changed gear, you had slowed down that much that you needed to change gear again. All good after a few miles
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: Yoof on February 19, 2014, 01:01:59 pm
You will probably be ok taking a few mm off the pads (material side), but mask sure you have a mask on and in a well ventilated area as the dust isn't good for your health.

I've done it before my smashing the calipers on with a rubber mallet and just driving the car till the pads wore down against the disc. Was entertaining changing gear, as by the time you'd changed gear, you had slowed down that much that you needed to change gear again. All good after a few miles

Dude...  :o

£50 Budget:

Pagid pads £23
Pagid Discs £21/ea


Total less the 25% Club Polo discount from Euro Car Prats is £48.75.

Use the rest of the cash to replace the fluid (RBF600 stuff is good) and £12 a bottle on eBay.

No point in scrimping on brakes.  :-*

Pete
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: grungeisdead on February 19, 2014, 05:02:11 pm
Haha! You know I'm PikeyTech through and through.

Wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't for the 2ft of snow that fell outside my unit during the time I was fitting them.

ECP discount is spot-on, although check carparts4less, because they may do it cheaper, without a discount applied
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 21, 2014, 10:04:38 am
You will probably be ok taking a few mm off the pads (material side), but mask sure you have a mask on and in a well ventilated area as the dust isn't good for your health.

I've done it before my smashing the calipers on with a rubber mallet and just driving the car till the pads wore down against the disc. Was entertaining changing gear, as by the time you'd changed gear, you had slowed down that much that you needed to change gear again. All good after a few miles

Dude...  :o

£50 Budget:

Pagid pads £23
Pagid Discs £21/ea


Total less the 25% Club Polo discount from Euro Car Prats is £48.75.

Use the rest of the cash to replace the fluid (RBF600 stuff is good) and £12 a bottle on eBay.

No point in scrimping on brakes.  :-*

Pete


Bargain, forgot about Pagids. Will go down that route next time!
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: JoeH on February 21, 2014, 08:48:28 pm
Or buy these ebay pads from someones garage hoard.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chase-P309-front-brake-pads-VW-Golf-Polo-Jetta-Seat-Ibiza-/121277282150?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Cars+Type%3A1.3+G40%7CModel%3APolo&hash=item1c3cb07766
Title: Re: VWI and VWII brake pads
Post by: randombadger69 on February 24, 2014, 12:30:30 am
They are VWI. Will fit either way round on the caliper, are symmetrical. What difference this makes I don't know.